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[WIN7] How to hang on to Windows 7 for the long run

From an article of the same name by Woody Leonhard, Senior Contributing Editor at InfoWorld:

If Windows 7 represents peak Windows for you, you’re not alone. Twice as many people use Win7 as use Win10, even after 18 months of Microsoft pressure to get you to give up Win7 and jump to the shiny new version as your operating system of choice.

Your reasons for staying with Win7 may range from mere convenience to mental inertia to an abject fear of the Win10 info borg. Whatever your reasons for remaining with Win7, there are steps you can take right now to ensure Win7 keeps working -- at least until Microsoft pulls the plug on security patches, on Jan. 14, 2020. (Yep, that’s a Patch Tuesday.)


»www.infoworld.com/articl ··· run.html

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at least until Microsoft pulls the plug on security patches, on Jan. 14, 2020.
There's been talk over the year that this date may be extended as companies like HP and Lenovo have been selling business systems with Windows 7 until recently and they've really put the pressure on Microsoft.

Actually, I just checked Lenovo's site and it seems they're still selling Windows 7 on their business oriented laptops what with "Windows 7 Professional - Preinstalled"

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Not really an issue for me since I can make Windows do whatever I want. Some of my people are on 10 and others 7 and 8.1. Going from 7 to 8.1 and 10 has been a PITA for some of them but I took care of that. If I had a business I would want to delay upgrading as long as possible of course. The biggest issue wasn't upgrading but updating. Updates have caused me more headaches than malware. So much so that I've turned off updates for 7 and 8.1. Updates for 10 have been trouble free for me but some folks have had to have me come out and fix their systems. Updates have always caused a few problems. I don't expect it to be perfect but the last year or so they've been a nightmare. I wish MS would focus on update quality again.

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I enjoyed Windows 7 while I used it, but since updating to 10, I wouldn't be able to go back.
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I updated to 10 when it came out, and even after using it and trying it over and over for a year and a half, I can't stand 10. I will be using 7 as long as possible here... 10 is a buggy nightmare....
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Re: [WIN7] How to hang on to Windows 7 for the long run

said by Anon642c8 :

said by Kerodo:

I updated to 10 when it came out, and even after using it and trying it over and over for a year and a half, I can't stand 10. I will be using 7 as long as possible here... 10 is a buggy nightmare....

No you did not use it for 18 months and no it's not. get over yourself.

Hahaha... I don't think I'm the one with the problem, bubba...

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I know what you mean. I like Windows 10.

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Well, I'm sticking with Win7 until they pry it out of my cold dead hands. I don't care if they stop updating in 2020. This one is my final OS stop.

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said by Boricua:

Well, I'm sticking with Win7 until they pry it out of my cold dead hands.

I don't care if they stop updating in 2020.

This one is my final OS stop.


Yes, Win 7 is becoming 'The New XP'.

That said, I still use XP daily - AND Vista - both online.

And I have one PC with 7 on it.

All of them work fine, with the appropriate browsers and security apps added.

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said by Boricua:

Well, I'm sticking with Win7 until they pry it out of my cold dead hands. I don't care if they stop updating in 2020. This one is my final OS stop.

I can't stand dealing with my wife's Win 10 install - I can't seem to find a damn thing and resort to searching for everything.

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Once you get used to it you'll know where everything is. The first week was rough but now that I've been using Windows 10 for some time I'm used to it. Just because it's different doesn't mean that it's bad.

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Fav feature is the digital entitlement product key and how easy it is to reset to factory settings.

GUI is so much better than win7/8/8.1

Just updated all of our fat clients company wide. Went so smooth. Everything just works without fuss. Best one yet.

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Problem is - if I can't find it and have to search for it - I will never learn how to get there without searching. It is the way my brain works (most peoples' memory works imho). I still can't find a way to get to FF or Word on my wife's PC. I have to hope it is already open. Maybe it is how she sets it up - which might explain why I can't wrap my head around it.

For how my brain works - the Win 7 start button/quick start make intuitive sense. I have yet to find a way Win 10 makes intuitive sense in any way. The Win 7 Start button works the way it should have in XP

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What is there to do to open up Microsoft Word? I've always opened the Start Menu, started typing to search, and pressed enter to open the program. Nothing is wrong with that. What's wrong with making the computer do the hard work for you?

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I am not a touch typist and at any given time have to type things more than once. Just in this sentence Along I had to fix 4 typing mistakes (oops 7). It adds in more than if I click with a mouse 3 times and it open to the exact document I want (most of the time - depends on the recent documents list).

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said by CylonRed:

I am not a touch typist and at any given time have to type things more than once.

That's the issue that some people, most especially Microsoft, have - they don't understand common users. "I'm a developer and I do things this way therefore all users should do this thing."

That's evident in their lack of options (which previously existed in former operating systems) and public insistences over the years that 'our new way is the best way so do it this way'. There was a Windows 8 representative that kept stating this about Metro and look how well that worked out for them.

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You might find this app of interest: Launchy is a free cross-platform utility designed to help you forget about your start menu, the icons on your desktop, and even your file manager.

Launchy indexes the programs in your start menu and can launch your documents, project files, folders, and bookmarks with just a few keystrokes!


»www.launchy.net/

(Spotlight and Launchbar on the Mac spoiled me. This is the closest keystroke reduction I've found for Windows)
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Windows 7 is a good OS. It succeeded Vista which royally sucked, so not surprisingly many people moved to 7. Most corporations skipped Vista, they stuck with XP for a long time, eventually moving to Windows 7.

Windows 10 is a good OS. It succeeded Windows 8 which royally sucked, so not surprisingly many people moved to 10. Most corporations skipped Windows 8, they stuck with Windows 7 for a long time, eventually moving to Windows 10.

7 and 10 had very similar paths, the big difference is the rapid decline of new PC sales which heavily shape adoption rates.

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Windows 10 is fine for me on systems that have all the drivers for it. Unfortunately, my prior main PC literally can't use it because no motherboard chipset drivers. I might be able to find drivers for everything else easy enough, but it's rather hard to get that going if the board itself has no drivers so it can communicate with everything, am I right?

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The only thing that will pry my hands off of Windows 7 Pro is if several key apps I use try to force me to 10.. and if that happens I may replace those apps with an alternative..

And I have two Window Media Systems, one a dedicated computer in my entertainment system will be Windows 7 forever, or replaced with something like this. »www.channelmaster.com/An ··· /336.htm

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I jumped to Windows 10 sooner than I though I would. I had planned to keep using Windows 7 (I passed with 8 and 8.1) but I did download the full preview version and used it for a while on a virtual machine (VMWare Player) on my Windows 7 system. I liked it after all and did the upgrade before the free period ended. Haven't looked back. I do miss a few things here and there but no big deal. I could still go back to the exact state prior to the upgrade because I replaced my existing hard drive with a bigger one just before I upgraded. The old hard disk is still there but not connected and I know that if I put it back into the system it will boot perfectly fine into my old Windows 7 installation. Some day I will wipe it and put it back into service.

About finding things, I learned way back since the beginning of using Windows 7 in 2011 that it was far easier to find stuff using the search function. I hardly used the start for anything other than searching. Windows 10 puts the search right in the task bar so I hardly open the star menu anymore except for shutdown or logoff. When using the search I just type the few letters of what I am looking for (application, folder or document) and that's it. No hunting through endless menus or file folders. And of course, I disabled Cortana completely and the search is only local. I don't want web results in my search. When I want to search on the web I go to my web browser and search there.

By the way, one of the best features in the latest Windows versions (7 had it too) is the pin to taskbar feature. If you need to use MS Word often, just pin it to the taskbar and it is there all the time, no need to go to start menu and find it. Anyhow modern operating systems are document-centered meaning that what you open is the document and the proper application opens it. You don't need to use the old model of opening the application first and then looking for the document.

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Windows 10 is ok. They got about 90% of the way through fixing the things that made 8 suck. I just wish they'd have finished that last 10% of polish.

The control panel/settings is still hot mess of hybrid "new UI" and the older Win7 UI. Example: Go into Network settings. Click Ethernet, then Change Adapter options. Instead of letting you change the settings, it pops you out to the old ncpa.cpl app, when they really should have moved all of the settings into the new UI.

Another one that drives me bat shit crazy is if I right click on something and choose "Open with" ... "Open with other app", Windows 10 gives me a "New UI" dialog that gives me a list of programs. Unlike the "old UI" listbox, I can no longer jump to the first letter by typing it (like "N" for notepad.exe). It's a long list of executables so the lack of the keyboard shortcut is annoying.

The lack of direct ability to disable updates is also annoying. I have some entertainment systems that I really don't ever want to be bothered with an automatic update prompt. They're not used to surf the web and in the highly unlikely event that they do get compromised, a wipe and reload just not a big deal. I shouldn't need a pro OS and GPEdit.msc just to disable updates.

I'm still not sold on the new UI in general. I appreciate minimalism and clean lines but the new look that was introduced with Windows 8 and continued with 10 is a bit TOO plain, making it difficult to differentiate important UI elements. Windows 7's UI is just more pleasing and consistent to me.

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Yeah, the changes with the control panel do feel disjointed and like a work in progress. I can't help but to feel that many of the changes to the Settings app are waiting on API changes to the core OS since the Settings app is a managed .NET app.

As for the UI, I've gotten used to it myself. At first I hated it but over time I've gotten used to it. It was just like how I hated Windows 7's UI after having XP for so long, with time you get used to it.

The Open With dialog does need some work, I agree with that. I figure that if we want that we need to suggest it to Microsoft in the feedback app.

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As with previous MS OSs, Windows 7 will become obsolete as soon as most companies have upgraded to Windows 10, which typically happens 3-5 years after initial availability.

It's highly unlikely they'll be an extension, since the one for XP was due to unpopular Vista, which Windows 10 is not. Another reason for no extension is that every other Windows release is a success, as it coincides with the corporate upgrade cycle. Widows 8 did not.

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said by digitalfutur:

As with previous MS OSs, Windows 7 will become obsolete as soon as most companies have upgraded to Windows 10, which typically happens 3-5 years after initial availability.

I work at a very large corporation with worldwide operations that started rolling out Windows 10 a few months ago. That was pretty quick given it has not been out 2 years yet. Previous OS was 8.1 with a clunky XP-styled taskbar and start menu. It was slow and had Internet Explorer 10 which would not work properly in many sites. When I upgraded my company laptop it felt much faster and stable than before on the same hardware.
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I don't see security patches needed if you have a good antivirus installed, and set up properly.. btw, I forgot what they call it, Corporate or Enterprise edition, but Microsoft said win 10 don't have the telemetry and etc. like the retail versions do..

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said by radios:

I don't see security patches needed if you have a good antivirus installed, and set up properly

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. WRONG!

We've seen multiple times when antivirus has failed us. Antivirus is and always will be a reactionary and mitigation type of defense. You need to patch the software itself to fix vulnerabilities. Anybody with a damn ounce of sense will understand this.

You can bypass mitigations, you can bypass antivirus, you can bypass firewalls, you can bypass all of that. You need to fix the root cause of the issue or it will eventually come back to bite you in the ass. And yes, we have seen that happen too many times.
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said by Boricua:

Well, I'm sticking with Win7 until they pry it out of my cold dead hands. I don't care if they stop updating in 2020. This one is my final OS stop.

and all cause of their heavy handedness... i used to like upgrading operating systems just to make reformatting with current drivers easier.

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said by trparky:

Yeah, the changes with the control panel do feel disjointed and like a work in progress. I can't help but to feel that many of the changes to the Settings app are waiting on API changes to the core OS since the Settings app is a managed .NET app.

As for the UI, I've gotten used to it myself. At first I hated it but over time I've gotten used to it. It was just like how I hated Windows 7's UI after having XP for so long, with time you get used to it.

The Open With dialog does need some work, I agree with that. I figure that if we want that we need to suggest it to Microsoft in the feedback app.


Tom, that's the whole point which many of us are making about Win 10 (and previously about Win 8.x).

We should not HAVE to 'get used to' a new UI - Not at ALL - let alone the added telemetry and reduced control over the WU channel.

There was little to no NEED for any changes to the UI (except to make it more like Win 7 again, which they could and should have done to Win 8.x), neither to the dialogue boxes, nor to the Control Panel applets and dialogues.

Free or not, this OS was foisted upon us half-baked, and in many respects Win 10 is STILL not ready to come out of the oven.

Yet here it is.

= = = = =

YesTURDay afternoon, I was visiting a friend, and they asked me why an app (which they had) would work on a Win 8.0 laptop but not on one with Win 7 SP1.

Upon inspection, the only other possibly relevant difference which I noticed was that the Win 8.0 was 32-bit Pro, and the Win 7 was 64-bit Home Premium.

And prior to examination, I had commented about the Win 8.0 UI being so different and unfriendly, to which they replied that they had not noticed much difference between that and Win 7.

It turns out that unknown to them, this refurbished unit had had Classic Shell added prior to their purchase, and it was set to look like Win 7, the only obvious clue being that the Start icon looked like a seashell.

So they had never seen what Win 8.0's UI looked like, and with 8.0 also had avoided Win 10 being pushed onto it, and strangely/fortunately enough Win 10 had not crept into their Win 7 unit either.

I did not solve their original problem with the Win 7 PC, but did roll it back to remove some unwanted optimizer apps which had snuck in, and advised them to look to the author of the app in question, regarding its system requirements.